• So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast

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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast

By: FIRE
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  • So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast takes an uncensored look at the world of free expression through the law, philosophy, and stories that define your right to free speech. Hosted by FIRE's Nico Perrino. New episodes post every other Thursday.
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  • Ep. 234: The Chicago Canon
    Jan 23 2025

    The University of Chicago is known for its commitment to free speech and academic freedom. Why are these values important to the university? Where do they originate? And how do they help administrators navigate conflicts and controversies?

    Tony Banout and Tom Ginsburg direct the University of Chicago’s Forum for Free Inquiry and Expression, which received a $100 million gift last year. They are also editors of “The Chicago Canon on Free Inquiry and Expression,” a new book that collects foundational texts that inform the university’s free speech tradition.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    03:31 Origin of book

    07:14 UChicago’s founding principles

    12:41 Free speech in a university context

    19:17 2015 UChicago committee report

    32:03 1967 Kalven report

    38:02 Institutional neutrality

    57:41 Applying free speech principles beyond the university

    01:04:21 Future steps for the Forum

    01:06:35 Outro

    Show notes:

    - The University of Chicago’s Report of the Committee on Freedom of Expression (2015)

    - Chicago Statement: University and Faculty Body Support (last updated 2024)

    - The University of Chicago Kalven Report (1967)

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    1 hr and 8 mins
  • Ep. 233: Rethinking free speech with Peter Ives
    Jan 9 2025

    Is the free speech conversation too simplistic?

    Peter Ives thinks so. He is the author of “Rethinking Free Speech,” a new book that seeks to provide a more nuanced analysis of the free speech debate within various domains, from government to campus to social media.

    Ives is a professor of political science at the University of Winnipeg. He researches and writes on the politics of “global English," bridging the disciplines of language policy, political theory, and the influential ideas of Antonio Gramsci.

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    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    02:25 The Harper’s Letter

    05:18 Neil Young vs. Joe Rogan

    08:15 Free speech culture

    09:53 John Stuart Mill

    12:53 Alexander Meiklejohn

    17:05 Ives’s critique of Jacob Mchangama’s “History of Free Speech” book

    17:53 Ives’s definition of free speech

    19:38 First Amendment vs. Canadian Charter of Rights

    21:25 Hate speech

    25:22 Canadian Charter and Canadian universities

    34:19 White supremacy and hate speech

    40:14 Speech-action distinction

    46:04 Free speech absolutism

    48:49 Marketplace of ideas

    01:05:40 Solutions for better public discourse

    01:13:02 Outro

    Show notes:

    • The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (1982)

    • “A Letter on Justice and Open Debate” Harper’s Magazine (2020)

    • “On Liberty” John Stuart Mill (1859)

    • “Free Speech: A History from Socrates to Social Media” Jacob Mchangama (2022)

    • Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969)

    • Mahanoy Area School District v. B.L. (2021)

    • Canadian Criminal Code (1985)

    • Bill C-63 - An Act to enact the Online Harms Act (2024)

    • McKinney v. University of Guelph (1990)

    • “When is speech violence?” The New York Times (2017)

    • Section 230 (Communications Decency Act of 1996)

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    1 hr and 21 mins
  • Ep. 232: We answer your free speech questions
    Dec 18 2024
    FIRE staffers take your questions on the TikTok ban, mandatory DEI statements, the Kids Online Safety Act, Trump vs. the media, and more. Joining us: Ari Cohn, lead counsel for tech policy Robert Shibley, special counsel for campus advocacy Will Creeley, legal director This webinar was open to the public. Future monthly FIRE Member Webinars will not be. Become a paid subscriber today to receive invitations to future live webinars. If you became a FIRE Member through a donation to FIRE at thefire.org and would like access to Substack’s paid subscriber podcast feed, please email sotospeak@thefire.org. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:52 Donate to FIRE! 02:49 TikTok ban 10:01 Ari’s work as tech policy lead counsel 12:03 Mandatory DEI statements at universities 15:19 How does FIRE address forced speech? 18:17 Texas’ age verification law 24:35 Would government social media bans for minors be a First Amendment violation? 33:48 Online age verification 35:17 First Amendment violations while making public comments during city council/school board public meetings 37:25: Edison, New Jersey city council case 39:48 FIRE’s role in educating Americans 41:55 If social media addiction cannot be dealt with like drugs, how can it be dealt with? 43:34 “Pessimists Archive” Substack and moral panics 45:27 Trump and the media 51:23 Gary Gadwa case 52:49 How to distinguish the freedom of speech versus freedom from social consequences? 55:53 Free speech culture is a “mushy concept” 57:58 ABC settlement with Trump 01:01:27 Nico’s upcoming book! 01:02:32 FIRE and K-12 education 01:04:40 Outro Show notes: “TikTok Inc. and ByteDance LTD. v. Merrick B. Garland, in his official capacity as attorney general of the United States” (D.C. 2024) “Opinion: The TikTok court case has staggering implications for free speech in America” L.A. Times (2024) H.B. No. 1181 (Tex. 2023; Texas age-verification law) “The Anxious Generation” Jonathan Haidt (2024) S. 1409 - Kids Online Safety Act (2023-2024) American Amusement MacH. Ass’n v. Kendrick (Ind. 2000) “Edison Township, New Jersey: Town Council bans props, including the U.S. flag and Constitution, at council meetings” FIRE (2024) “LAWSUIT: Arizona mom sues city after arrest for criticizing government lawyer’s pay” FIRE (2024) "President Donald J. Trump v. J. Ann Selzer, Selzer & Company, Des Moines Register and Tribune company, and Gannett Co., Inc.” (2024) “Trump v. American Broadcasting Companies, Inc.” (2024) “New Jersey slaps down censorship with anti-SLAPP legislation” FIRE (2023) “FIRE defends Idaho conservation officer sued for criticizing wealthy ranch owner’s airstrip permit” FIRE (2023) “On Liberty” John Stuart Mill (1859) “Home Depot cashier fired over Facebook comment about Trump shooting” Newsweek (2024) “Free speech culture, Elon Musk, and Twitter” FIRE (2022) “Questions ABC News should answer following the $16 million Trump settlement” Columbia Journalism Review (2024) “Appellants’ opening brief — B.A., et al. v. Tri County Area Schools, et al.” FIRE (2024) Transcript is here
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    1 hr and 7 mins

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