Meaningful inclusion is possible, if we’re being honest though, it’s so rare that most folks don’t even know what it looks like. In part two of this episode on inclusion in public schools (be sure to check out part one!), Erin Croyle has educator and advocate Trina Allen break down what co-teaching is, how it works, and what can be done to make truly inclusive education a reality. The Odyssey: Parenting. Caregiving. Disability. The Center for Family Involvement at VCU School of Education's Partnership for People with Disabilities provides informational and emotional support to people with disabilities and their families. All of our services are free. We just want to help. We know how hard this can be because we're in it with you. SHOW NOTES: Talia A. Lewis' Working Definiciton of Ableism. How much are students with disabilities actually included? This breakdown demonstrates there is much work to be done. National Center for Education Statistics releases various annual reports and as well as topical studies. More on the Ithaca City School District. Inclusion benefits EVERYone. Learn more about the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). TRANSCRIPT: 01:00:07:11 - 01:00:39:01 Erin Croyle Welcome to The Odyssey. Parenting, Caregiving, Disability. I'm Erin Croyle, the creator and host. The Odyssey podcast explores how our lives change when a loved one has a disability. I joined the caregiver club 14 years ago when my first child was born with Down syndrome. My journey weaved its way here, working for the Center for Family Involvement at VCU's Partnership for People with Disabilities. 01:00:39:03 - 01:01:09:07 Erin Croyle This podcast highlights the joys and hardships we face. Celebrating how amazing the odyssey of parenting, caregiving and disability can be. While examining the spiderweb of complex issues, we're tangled in, The fight for meaningful inclusion in our schools is a struggle for so many of us. In our last episode, I spoke with special education teacher advocate, activist and parent Trina Allen. 01:01:09:09 - 01:01:31:21 Erin Croyle We left off talking about how gut wrenching advocating for an inclusive education can be, especially as our kids get older. And we're picking up right there with Trina telling us not only that it can be done, but how we can do it. 01:01:31:23 - 01:01:47:19 Erin Croyle I know of a number of parents who have children who stop working and are like full on tutors for their kids to keep them on that diploma track. The thing is, like a kid with Down syndrome is one kid with Down syndrome. 01:01:47:22 - 01:01:50:04 Trina Allen Thank you! 01:01:50:06 - 01:02:17:19 Erin Croyle Yes, Autism is one kid with autism. CP And so when you have a student who is at a grade level in grade school trying to do seventh grade math, I don't know as a parent where the line is. I think that our schools, once we get to a certain level, it's not parents failing, but it's their schools not offering enough options for kids with more significant needs. 01:02:17:19 - 01:02:34:24 Erin Croyle Instead, they just shove them into a cookie cutter classroom. I don't know. I guess I don't even know what my question is. All I know is that. Trina Allen Fix it! Erin Croyle They reach a certain age and there's no choice anymore, right? No other option anymore. Trina Allen So while we're on the fight for inclusion, it cannot be on the back of our individual child and listening to what he needs in the moment is the biggest fight of ableism. Listening to him is the biggest fight of Abel's that you will ever do with him. The issue of what needs to happen is that that math class needs to not be based on an outcome of these particular things. 01:03:03:03 - 01:03:27:24 Trina Allen That math class needs to be structured on. These are the standards, and every single kid in it is at a different place and it needs to be supported in that way. And so do I think it can be done? my God. Math is like the easiest. You know, it becomes more complicated in like history and English, but it doesn't have to be if the design is universal. 01:03:28:01 - 01:03:47:17 Trina Allen Now, that's a lot of curriculum, though. That's a lot of things that need to be made and change, and that curriculum needs to be not adapted for your son. That curriculum needs to be created with him and created with the kid at a different level and created with a kid at the different level and created with the kid in a different level. 01:03:47:19 - 01:04:27:00 Trina Allen And it needs to be individualized. And that is doable with time and space. And what I do like about the current district that, you know, that we both are dealing with is that's the goal. And when the systems have not created all of those levels of curriculum and are displayed by the slide show and are displayed in all those quiet ways that are as equal and that are that his production is as integrated and valued ...
