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Join Chrisha and Catherine for a chaotic episode where all of the things that can happen in the background at Catherine's apartment do while they try to talk all about the music in the finale of The Winchesters.

Topics range from just how exactly Dean did time- and universe-travel, to his kidnapping of the President of the United States, his introspection and shift from an active fighter to a guide, the City of Angels and the City of Love, and lots of Destiel musings.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Take a Stand" by Homer Greencastle; "Keep On Ramblin'" by Radio Company; "Baba O'Riley" by The Who; "LA Woman" by The Doors; "Americana" by Jay Gruska; "One of These Things First" by Nick Drake; "Watching Over Me" by Radio Company; "Ramble On" by Led Zeppelin; "That's No Way To Say Goodbye" by Leonard Cohen
Radio Company live concert credit: "Let Me Be" on Hannah Young's Youtube channel
Info about how the Ackles got "Ramble On": hermscat on Tumblr and Sharon87 on Twitter (Thanks, Tess, for the info and links! Wayward Friends, turns out Jensen went without salary for The Winchesters' finale so they could pay for the song--and a lot of work went on behind the scenes to get permission to use it!)

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CONTENT WARNING: There is a discussion of suicide and suidical ideation as it pertains to the characters of Akrida Kyle & Lata from The Winchesters and Dean from Supernatural. Please be aware and kind to yourselves, Wayward Friends. The portion that discusses this content is from 3:33 to 8:48 and has been marked as a chapter so you can easily skip it.

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start off the episode by going over some thoughts that have come to them since they started recording about the finale again in November 2023. They then focus in on the Akrida: Joan, their history, and their purpose, and discuss what makes a compelling villain and why the best villains always think they are on the side of good.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne
Jeremy Adams' tweet re: Why Cas wasn't in "Last Holiday"
Misha Collins audio clip credit: Supernatural: The Long Road Home

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start the discussion with Jack and his odd behavior at the end of Supernatural and during The Winchesters' finale before moving on to talk about Baby, The Winchesters' title card and its connection to the Akrida, and the logistics behind Cas' absence. The conclude by reflecting on what was left unresolved and what was healing for them personally.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
SPNNash 2021 audio clip credit: Gayle (thank you to @alishabless13 on Twitter for asking the question and helping us to find the audio!)
KSiteTV audio clip credit: GOTHAM KNIGHTS Misha Collins Interview
JIB 12 audio clip credit: Chuck Won on Tumblr (thank you to Veronica for letting us know about this clip!)

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss how the car scene at the end of the episode should have been, as a giant infodump, dull--and yet it was not (thanks, Ackles and Thompson!). They also discuss the clapbacks to the Supernatural finale, how dying and going through the multiverse changed Dean, the John and Dean role reversals, how the concept of reparenting applies in a very Supernatural way, and delve deep into Dean's monologue at the end of the episode.

Finally, they discuss what exactly Dean is now, and the implications that might have for any future iterations of Supernatural.

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Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine catch up on what's been going on behind the scenes with each other, the writers' and actors' strikes and victories, the ongoing trash-fires at networks and streamers, and their gratitude to folks behind The Winchesters for giving fans a thoughtful and healing ending.

The main part of the episode focuses on the various members of the Monster Club:

Mary: Her similarities with the Akrida Queen's backstory and how her journey of healing led to different outcomes; her time in the portal and the impact of seeing all possible versions of herself; her decision to go with John at the end and the importance of Mary being the one to make that decision; and her journey from being trapped to living in freedom.

John: His decision to address his anger and work on healing it; his state of being completely lost after he arrived home from Vietnam, and the importance of Dean and Henry's letter; the healing that's happened in his relationship with Millie; and his transition from running towards danger to running towards hope.

Lata: Her immediate decision to put everything else aside to figure out how to help Ada; her strength/perceptiveness while under the control of Akrida Kyle; the way her attack on Joan complicates her pacifism; her importance in building community; & her journey from feeling less-than because of her pacifism to understanding her importance.

Carlos: His immediate and ongoing Dean thirst; his voyage from needing to be the front man to being part of the band; his affection for Ada and the important role he played in stopping her from jumping the gun with the crystal; and his role in saving the day by figuring out how to bring Baby back out of the world between worlds.

Millie: Her new communicative relationship with John; her continued strength, and the insight and help she brings as a mechanic to the Monster Club; and her care and concern for his relationship with Mary.

Ada: The loss and restoration of her soul; the importance of her openness about the sacrifice the crystal requires; and the way the Monster Club rallies around her, supports her, and protects her in a way that we think she isn't used to.

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW
Music clip credits: "Exile" by Taylor Swift

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Note: This is a re-release of Chrisha and Catherine's reaction episode to The Winchesters' finale, which was originally released on March 8, 2023. A full analysis of "That's No Way to Say Goodbye" will be released in January, 2024.

In this raw audio episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their initial reactions to The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye," with particular attention to the healing work this episode and the entire season did in the wake of Supernatural's series finale, "Carry On."

A full analysis of the episode will happen at a later date, and they will continue to release episodes about the rest of the season in order!

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine look into the theme of mirrors and misdirection, which is particularly prevalent in this episode but has been a running theme throughout the series. They also examine the parallels this episode has with multiple episodes of Supernatural, which all look at the temptation of peace and happiness vs. facing the difficulty of real life and its associated difficulties and traumas!

A big chunk of the episode dives into the background imagery of sideshows and includes a discussion of othering, autonomy, and what visual messaging the audience might have been given.

Further time is given to discussions of spell ingredients, Macbeth, music, and thinking forward to the finale!

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supenatural audio clip credits: The CW
JIBCon 11 audio clip credits: Aurélie Kitty at YouTube
Music clip credits: "I'd Love to Change the World" by Ten Years After; "The Viper" by Paul Lenart & Billy Novick; "Everybody Loves a Clown" by Gary Lewis and The Playboys; "The Tears of a Clown" by Smokey Robinson and The Miracles

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine talk about the penultimate episode of The Winchesters, "The Tears of a Clown."

Topics include: the concern about Ada considering giving up her soul; Dean's narration about the lies we tell ourselves and what self-lies he might be confronting; Mary's addressing of issues and John's determined avoidance; Carlos' continued therapy work and the ripple effect of an individual's therapy on their community; Lata's incredible research ability which saves the day again; and the episode's commentary on toxic positivity and the importance of facing our grief and problems. They also screech, of course, about ROWENA!!!!

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supenatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW

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