Paul: At some point the writing was on the wall, right? Anyone with half a brain knew that you couldn’t fight the Russians and the western allies, including the United States, at the same time. Did people openly resist?

Volker: Yes, there was quiet opposition, quiet opposition. If you officially fought the regime, you knew you would lose your head. So, it was a quiet opposition. You do not - you could only talk openly and criticize the Nazis in your immediate family, with your immediate family. And you had to be extremely careful. You lived in 2 worlds….

Paul: Let me ask you about the attempt on Hitler's life. July 20th, 1944. The bomb went off, he was injured but not killed. Almost 5,000 people ultimately rounded up and executed. Tell me about that. And we have a great uncle, right? Who was part of that plot, Von Schulenburg.

Volker: Yes. This was - my father had remarried. And this was the German Ambassador to Moscow. Friedrich Werner von der Schulenburg, was old nobility, who was on the list. The Nazis, with typical German efficiency, had typed up a list as to who after the successful coup would run the country. Who would be Chancellor, who would be Secretary of State? Who would be this and this?

Schulenburg was supposed to become the new Secretary of State. When the coup fell apart, when the plot fell apart in Berlin, when Stauffenberg, a day later was executed. And several people died when all this fell apart. He, because Schulenburg was on the list. But he was never - there was never any court, no trial. Hitler was so embarrassed by how many people were part of the plot. These people were quietly executed. All we heard is that he had died of a heart attack. And this was not made public until after the war.