WATCH PART 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqlE8Ke9uK0&t=15s
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WATCH PART 2 - https://youtu.be/bi9KHGvSyeY

Join me on this special BONUS crossover episode of Texture Talks and Mixed Up Podcast as I sit down with hosts Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole Ocran, of The Mixed Up Podcast and multi-passionate creative Oneness Sankara to discuss and debate CANDIDLY the issues with the curl typing system, what 4C even means, ad whether we need to get rid of the system altogether to be able to not just better connect as a community but start seeing some REAL RESULTS on our natural hair care journeys!

Together, we unpack how we, as black and mixed-race women, can speak honestly to each other properly about our hair, knowing and acknowledging we all have differing challenges but that us individually talking about them openly doesn't take away from one another's experiences.

We also discuss some important topics, such as expectations around "who has it worse" and break down the myth of how "difficult" it is to have Black hair.

This episode is in collaboration with The Mixed Up Podcast, which is hosted by the amazing Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole Ocran.

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I speak to professional Rugby Player, and Junior Doctor Simi Pam, who after realising the serious harm the sport was inflicting on her natural coils, was forced to make serious changes to protect her afro, leading her on a journey where everything from her femininity and sense of self to her understanding of what professional help was available was challenged.

Playing any sport will always have a natural impact on how you are able to care for and maintain your natural hair, especially when you have afro and curly hair, however when playing contact or collision sports such as Rugby at a professional level, the potential for damage only further increases, threatening over time to cause irreparable harm that can never be repaired.

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I speak to Lekia Lee Founder of Project Embrace about how we feel about our hair, the rituals and routines we practice, the terminologies we use, and our perceptions of beauty, start incredibly young.

As children we take in our surroundings in a very matter-of-fact way, often times internalising what we see, experience, or hear and carrying these themes long into adulthood, without necessarily even realising their impacts.

I talk to Lekia about her childhood journey with her hair, her self love and her culture whilst also taking a look into some of the insights extracted from a new report she curated this year, to understand black women's relationships with their hair.

This episode gives the community a painful but much needed insight into not only the importance of the environments we raise our black children in, but also the ramifications of neglecting to understand the significance of how these environments can impact the trauma they carry as adults.


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