THE REAL LAWYER

By: Sophia Media
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  • THE REAL LAWYER
    Sophia Media

    Join corporate lawyer, law firm owner and former BigLaw partner Joyce Sophia Xu for candid conversations with real lawyers about life, working in law and everything in between.

    Tune in every other week on Monday, Wednesday and Friday to hear a real lawyer share their journey - what led them to law school, how their career has evolved after graduation, and, most importantly, how they keep it real and find joy and fulfillment along the way.

    Created and Produced by: Sophia Media
    Sponsored by: Joyce Xu Law LLC - www.joycexulaw.com
    Music By: Nana Simopoulos

    © 2025 THE REAL LAWYER
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Episodes
  • The Real Lawyer: Wayne Outten (Part 3)
    Jan 17 2025

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    In this episode of The Real Lawyer Podcast, host Joyce Sophia continues her conversation with Wayne Outten, Chair and Founding Partner of Outten and Golden, a labor and employment law firm. Wayne shares his journey of building a successful law firm focused on advocating for employees and reflects on the personal challenges he's faced along the way. From making difficult decisions about his career path to navigating the stresses of representing clients in legal battles, Wayne offers valuable insights on leadership, risk-taking, and staying grounded. Plus, he talks about the role his family has played in both his personal and professional life. Tune in for a warm, candid conversation on what it takes to build a thriving law firm while staying true to your roots.

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    27 mins
  • The Real Lawyer: Wayne Outten (Part 2)
    Jan 15 2025

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    In this episode of The Real Lawyer Podcast. Wayne shares the incredible journey of building one of the leading labor and employment law firms in the country, starting with just two lawyers and a big vision. He dives into the challenges of starting a firm, the risks involved in class action cases, and the principles that guided his success—including hiring talented, passionate, and kind people. Wayne also offers heartfelt advice for lawyers dreaming of starting their own practice: focus on doing meaningful work, take risks wisely, and build a supportive, values-driven culture. This episode is packed with practical tips and inspiration for anyone in the legal field.

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    30 mins
  • The Real Lawyer: Wayne Outten (Part 1)
    Jan 13 2025

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    In this episode of The Real Lawyer Podcast, Joyce Sophia chats with Wayne Outten, a pioneer in labor and employment law and founding partner of Outten and Golden. Wayne shares his inspiring journey from small-town Maryland to leading the legal field, his role in founding the National Employment Lawyers Association, and his work with Workplace Fairness. Don’t miss this insightful conversation about his early years, law school path, and the evolution of employment law in the U.S.!

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    22 mins

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