• MOTFL 034 JAM 023: Diane, a Social Worker by Profession and Stay-at-Home Mom by Choice
    Sep 9 2023
    Note: This interview was recorded in 2018. Transcription: [music] Welcome to the Mothers on the Frontline Podcast. Mothers on the Frontline is a nonprofit organization, founded and run by mothers of children with mental illness to promote caregiver healing and children’s mental health justice through storytelling. Our vision is a world in which mental health is destigmatized, respected, and prioritized as an integral part of the overall health of individuals, families, and communities. In this episode we hear from Dianne Thacker, a social worker by profession, a stay-at-home mom by choice, and someone who is dedicated to helping other families find the resources they need to help their children. Interviewer: So, hello. Thank you for being with us today. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself. Before or outside of mothering, who are you? What do you love to do? What are your passions? Diane Thacker: Okay. I’m Diane Thacker. I’m a social worker by profession. A stay-at-home mom by choice. I dubbed myself as a resource specialist. Later in the game I’m 50 years old and I am ageless. Interviewer: I love that. Diane: Yeah. I don’t get in to, “Oh my gosh. I’m gonna be old now.” I celebrate birthdays because you can. No matter the glow on the cake. Interviewer: That’s right. Diane: Okay. I love to read books. But I have a kind of a weird quirk about it. I start reading some of the end pages first. Interviewer: Oh, do you? You like to know what’s coming? Diane: Yeah. Or to kind of see what the outcome’s going to be. Because then if I get hooked in, then I could go back to and start reading it. Otherwise it’s boring and I’m not going to read it. And then it takes like maybe two or three days just to get it done. Interviewer: Right. Diane: Okay. I like to do genealogy. Although that wasn’t a bug issue when I begin with. For those genealogist who’d go, “I know. I know the bug.” It became a- let’s see and if I call that, an assignment. When I was fourteen and I was in my great aunt’s house in a small town called Zearing, Iowa. She asked me one day, and I’m just like, well maybe I was like eleven years old, if I knew who my family was. And of course I knew my mom’s side because that was all we knew. And I didn’t understand the question as to why she was asking me that. So I’m like,”Why?” And she’s, “Well because, you know I’m working on my family tree here.” And I’m like, “Oh, wow.” She has got a big table with all of her books and the papers. And I’m looking at her bay- this big wave bay window and I’m like, “I wish I could be outside now.” But I couldn’t. So we were you know hanging out and she says, “Well, come here Diane. Come here.” So we started looking at her stuff and I was kind of like, “Wow.” And she started connecting the dots. And for me now, connecting the dots is very important. It doesn’t always happen but when you look back at your life and you see things happening, “Oh wow that’s why that happened” and will get to that later. So then just about that time, I was doing a homework assignment. So that kind of fell into place. There is your dot. One of your dots. And so I said well- both side of your family. So in this case, we didn’t know that much about my dad’s side. My dad had died when I was six and a half. Interviewer: You were young. Diane: Yes, I was. But I did know him and I have memories of him. He was very determined. He dealt with- he had some health issues of his own. But he was very determined, very passionate. He knew-he wrote poetry, which is what I do now. It was just me and my brother and my mom. I don’t know. And he liked putting things together with his hands- fences and stuff. And he also cared for small animals. Interviewer: Oh, nice. Diane: Yeah. I do remember one day he was around, but I remember sitting outside of my house and there was what appeared to be a woman who was homeless. And I really felt the need that I needed to go and give her something but my mom was like, “We don’t know that person.” But there was that social worker helping persona in myself that was coming out early. I lived in the neighborhood where it was deemed unsafe. But to me it was like, no there was nothing unsafe here. My friends are here. I still have- I have a friend who, I’ve known her for, is that fifty years old now? Seven. What is that? That say seven? Forty three years old? For forty three years, yeah. Interviewer: That’s great. Diane: Yeah. I don’t know. We did- we went everywhere together. Got lost together. Got in trouble together. [laughter] For a month together. Yeah. Interviewer: Beautiful. Diane: Yeah. So then, one day an event happens when you have to move out of your neighborhood. So you move from your one location to another. At the time, we’re like, I don’t understand why. But going back, you look at the little- okay. So that put me into a parochial school versus ...
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  • MOTFL 033 CBF 005: Punitive Frameworks Part II
    Jul 7 2023

    This episode of the Conversations Between Friends series was recorded June 29, 2020.

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  • MOTFL 032 CBF 004: Punitive Frameworks Part I
    Jun 24 2020
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    In this episode of the Conversations Between Friends Series, we discuss punitive systems, including policing and schools, and the frameworks and assumptions underlying their policies.

    Terminology:

    IEP – Individualized Education Plan – the document that determines the accommodations and supports for a particular student in special education.

    Ontology – theory of being, framework of what entities exist or how to categorize what exists.

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  • MOTFL 031 CBF 003 Allyship: Moving from Performativity to Authenticity
    Jun 17 2020

    In this episode we discuss:

    • what it means to be an ally
    • the difference between performative and authentic allyship
    • how allyship differs from friendship and being a coalition partner
    • stigma jumping vs intersectional activism and advocacy

    Terms:

    Allyship – An active, consistent, and arduous practice of unlearning and re-evaluating, in which a person in a position of privilege and power seeks to operate in solidarity with a marginalized group and works to ensure equality, opportunity and inclusion for everyone. (Thank you to Sonya, Sophie, Gigi and Lilah – students in Dionne Bensonsmith’s “Introduction to Feminism, Gender, and Sexuality” Class in the Fall 2019 at Scripps College – for this definition.)

    Intersectionality – A framework for understanding the interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage. (This term was coined by Kimberlé Crenshaw in 1989.)

    Stigma-Jumping – Avoiding association with potential allies or coalition partners to avoid their stigma being attached to your cause, organization or person. Stigma jumping is a barrier to intersectional activism and advocacy and therefore neglects the most vulnerable. (This term was coined by Tammy Nyden in 2017.)

    Resources:

    Allyship (Definitions):

    Rochester Racial Justice Toolkit “What is Allyship?””

    Michelle Kim “Allyship (& Accomplice): The What, the Why, and the How”

    Seventeen Magazine “What is Performative Allyship?”

    Teaching Tolerance “Ally or Accomplice: The Language of Activism”

    On Privilege and Power

    University of San Francisco, Gleeson Library “White Privilege Resource Guide”

    How to be an Ally (start here and by all means, do not stop):

    The Anti-Oppression Network “Allyship”

    Amélie Lamont “Guide to Allyship”

    Jamie Utt “So You Call Yourself an Ally: 10 Things All ‘Allies’ Need to Know”

    Chris Scot Cole “3 Things Not To Do When Someone Discloses Their Invisible Disability”

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  • MOTFL 030 CBF 002: Defunding the Police
    Jun 9 2020

    In this episode we have a conversation about defunding the police:

    • what it means, what it doesn’t mean, and how the phrase raises different emotions in people depending on their personal experiences with the police and racism.
    • How decades of consistent and pervasive defunding of community programming, healthcare, and education has harmed communities. We focus on the effects for children with disabilities.
    • School Resource officers and police brutality in the schools that specifically targets black and brown children and children with disabilities.
    • How policy runs on narratives, not statistics. We discuss and challenge narratives about “bad neighborhoods” and “bad children” that are steeped in anti-black racism, anti-indigeneity, and ableism and have fueled bad policy for decades.

    For more information about this topic:

    Defunding the police:

    Democracy NOW!: “Defund the Police: Linda Sarsour & Mychal Denzel Smith on What Meaningful Change Would Look Like”

    USA Today “What does ‘defund the police’ mean and why some say ‘reform’ is not enough”

    Black Lives Matter

    Los Angeles Times “Eliminate school police, L.A. teachers union leaders say”

    Reading Towward Abolition: A Reading List on Policing, Rebellion, and the Criminalization of Blackness by the Abusable Past.

    Resources for teaching and talking about racism:

    EdJustice: “Black Lives Matter at School – Resources”

    Watson, Dyan, Jesse Hagopian, and Wayne Au. Teaching for Black Lives. , 2018. Print.

    The Black Lives Matter Syllabus

    The School to Prison Pipeline:

    Bullies in Blue: The Problem with School Policing [infographic] by the ACLU

    Cops and No Counselors: How the Lack of School Mental Health is Harming Students by the ACLU

    ** The image above was drawn by Akim, a 10 year African American boy expressing his feelings in this current moment of police brutality, racism, and Covid-19.

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  • MOTFL 029 CBF 001: White Lady Tears
    Jun 5 2020

    In this episode, the founders of Mothers on the Frontline discuss grief, racial privilege, policing, and the performativity of emotion.

    Families and communities are grieving right now. We are grieving the deaths of over 100,000 Americans to Covid-19, which has disproportionately affected Black and Brown communities. We are grieving ongoing and countless losses of African-American Women, Men, and non-binary folk, children to elders, to institutional racism, particularly by the very structures that should be protecting them, including the police. Many parents are grieving the loss of the veneer of safety they once felt for themselves and their black and brown children in the community and in their very homes.

    Many white allies see the collective grief in the Black community and the pain in the eyes of their Black friends. They want to be helpful, but often fail to recognize their own emotional privilege. We examine how the centering and privileging of white emotion can result in dysfunctional empathy, as well as the weaponization of white lady tears.

    Today’s conversation challenges us to think about how the expression of emotion is learned and responded to very differently between White and Black women and how white emotional privilege in turn affects social narratives, resulting in particular interactions between children, police, and schools which are detrimental to children’s mental health.

    If you are interested in learning more about some of the topics mentioned in this podcast we suggest the following:

    For information on addressing racism and racist thinking in your personal relationships: Seed the Way “Interrupting Bias: Calling In vs. Calling Out”

    A good guide on ACEs and Toxic Stress: Harvard University: Center on the Developing Child “ACEs and Toxic Stress: Frequently Asked Questions”

    Mentioned in the Podcast: DiAngelo, Robin J., White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk about Racism. United States, Beacon Press, 2018. National Domestic Workers Alliance

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  • MOTFL 028 JAM 022: Kate, A Mother From Iowa
    Mar 20 2020
    Kate is a mother from Iowa whose children have autism, anxiety, ADHD, sensory processing disorder and prosopagnosia. In this episode, she discusses what it was like when her son was first diagnosed, adjusting each year to new teachers, and what it is like to go through the ups and downs of parenting children who are ‘differently wired’. Transcription [music] Welcome to the Mothers on the Frontline Podcast, episode 28. Mothers on the Frontline is a nonprofit organization, founded and run by mothers of children with mental illness to promote caregiver healing and children’s mental health justice through storytelling. Our vision is a world in which mental health is destigmatized, respected, and prioritized as an integral part of the overall health of individuals, families, and communities. In this episode, we hear from Kate, a mother from Iowa whose children have autism, anxiety, ADHD, sensory processing disorder and prosopagnosia. Tammy: So hello, tell us a little bit about yourself before or outside of mothering, who are you, what do you love, what do you love to do? Kate: I love yoga. I’m a very fanatic yogi and what has happened with my son has really put me in touch with yoga and with mindfulness so I really like to do that. I like to walk, I like to do gardening and I just, overall, I’m a very positive person, and I like to just have fun. Tammy: Well that’s wonderful, it’s wonderful. So I want you to pretend you’re talking to parents. What do you want them to know about your experiences? What can you share that may be helpful for them to know? Kate: So in 2014, my son was officially diagnosed with ADHD, oppositional defiant disorder ODD and anxiety, and we have been going through a struggle which started actually with him in preschool. Where we had seen some of the signs but we weren’t quite sure. He also has allergies, and because of that, he had to be on steroids sometimes. So it was very hard to figure out what is normal two to three-year-old behavior, what is induced by being on steroids and what is behavior that is cause for concern. And at that time too when I would be talking to my parents-in-law, often they would say like, well, you know your husband was just the same when he was little. But then after a while, we were really starting to struggle. It was hard for us sometimes to enjoy weekends. Where you’re looking forward to Monday because it’s so draining, emotionally draining to be around your little guy. And there comes a huge guilt complex with that because you feel like it’s your fault, you’re not doing something right. And after a while, my husband and I, we were just like, we need help. And at the time he was in daycare which also had a preschool tied to it. They were very open to working with us, so we, they said like, we’ll have somebody from Grant Wood AEA come in, evaluate, and then we’ll just see what happens. We did that. There was some cause for concern and then we also, on our own reached out to psychologist and start working with her. And then in 2014, by the year before he went to kindergarten, he got officially diagnosed. So which was for us, a lot of things sort of all the puzzle pieces start to come together. And we were just relieved in a way. But then, on the other hand, it’s like there’s a huge learning curve. Because now it’s like, I know what it is, but what do I need to know? So… Tammy: Right. So, for parents who are out there who are starting their journey, they haven’t had the diagnosis yet or ones that have just got it. Like what could you talk about in terms of barriers that you have faced that had been hard for you to get your child the help he needs? Kate: Personally for myself, I think I was the biggest barrier because sometimes you’re in denial and you think like oh it’s just the age. It will be okay. This will, well, will resolve itself down the line but it’s not. So it just, once you come to that realization and also give yourself a break. I think sometimes as parents, we all try to do a really good job but we’re only humans too but we’re really hard on ourselves. And a lot with mental illness diagnosis, there’s a lot of shame I think sometimes connected to it as well. Tammy: Absolutely. Kate: So people or parents it holds them back at that shame but it’s okay to ask for help. Tammy: Absolutely. Kate: And I think that sometimes that was a barrier for myself. Like I’m always being very independent. I’m a go-getter. I just get things done myself. But there was a point that I reached that I was like I don’t want to live like this. This is not normal. If I’m doing something wrong I need help and I need somebody to let me know, how I need to adjust my parenting style because I want to enjoy the time I spent together with my little guy. Tammy: You brought up several things that are really important. I mean one is it’s really confusing and you don’t get to have a control. You have a kid, you...
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  • MOTFL 027 JAM 021: Raising a child with ADHD, Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Anxiety
    Dec 10 2018
    [music] Welcome to Mothers on the Frontline Podcast. Today, as part of our Just Ask Mom Series,we listen to a Mom of a 9 year old diagnosed with ADHD, Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Anxiety in 2014. [music] Tammy: Tell us a little bit about yourself before or outside of mothering, who are you, what do you love, what do you love to do? Mom: I love yoga. I’m a very fanatic yogi and what has happened with my son has really put me in touch with yoga and with mindfulness so I really like to do that. I like to walk, I like to do gardening and I just overall, am a very positive person, and I like to just have fun. Tammy: Well that’s wonderful, it’s wonderful. So I want you to pretend you’re talking to parents. What do you want them to know about your experiences? What can you share that may be helpful for them to know? Mom: So in 2014, my son was officially diagnosed with ADHD, oppositional defiant disorder ODD and anxiety, and we have been going through a struggle which started actually with him in preschool. Where we had seen some of the signs but we weren’t quite sure.He also has allergies, and because of that, he had to be on steroids sometimes.So it was very hard to figure out what is normal to 3-year-old behavior, what is induced by being on steroids and what is behavior that is cause for concern.And at that time too when I would be talking to my parents-in-law, often they would say like, well, you know your husband was just the same when he was little. But then after a while, we were really starting to struggle. It was hard for us sometimes to enjoy weekends. Where you’re looking forward to Monday because it’s so draining, emotionally draining to be around your little guy.And there comes a huge guilt complex with that because you feel like it’s your fault, you’re not doing something right. And after a while, my husband and I,we were just like, we need help. And at the time he was in daycare which also had a preschool tied to it. They were very open to working with us, so we, theysaid like, we’ll have somebody from the AEA [Area Education Agency] come in, evaluate, and then we’ll just see what happens. We did that. There was some cause for concern and then we also, on our own reached out to psychologist and start working with her. And then in 2014, by the year before he went to kindergarten, he got officially diagnosed. So which was for us, a lot of things sort of all the puzzle pieces start to come together. And we were just relieved in a way. But then, on the other hand, it’s like there’s a huge learning curve. Because now it’s like, I know what it is, but what do I need to know? So… Tammy: Right. So, for parents who are out there who are starting their journey, they haven’t had the diagnosis yet or ones that have just got it. Like what could you talk about in terms of barriers that you have faced that had been hard for you to get your child the help he needs? Mom: Personally for myself, I think I was the biggest barrier because sometimes you’re in denial and you think like oh it’s just the age. It will be okay. This will, well, will resolve itself down the line but it’s not. So it just, once you come to that realization and also give yourself a break. I think sometimes as parents,we all try to do a really good job but we’re only humans too but we’re really hard on ourselves. And a lot with mental illness diagnosis, there’s a lot of shame I think sometimes connected to it as well. Tammy: Absolutely. Mom:So people or parents it holds them back at that shame but it’s okay to ask for help. Tammy: Absolutely. Mom: And I think that sometimes that was a barrier for myself. Like I’m always being very independent. I’m a go-getter. I just get things done myself. But there was a point that I reach that I was like I don’t want to live like this. This is not normal. If I’m doing something wrong I need help and I need somebody to let me know, how I need to adjust my parenting style because I want to enjoy the time I spent together with my little guy. Tammy: You brought up several things that are really important. I mean one is it’s really confusing and you don’t get to have a control. You have a kid, you don’t get to have a scientific control and say okay what really is causing this. Let’s change some variables.No, and especially for those of us who, it’s our only or first child. It can even be, we don’t know what normal is and it’s such a wide range. So it’s hard to know if this is neurotypical development or it’s something we should pay attention to. Is it just quirky or is it something that’s problematic that they need help with. So that’s just hard to know. You also brought up another element which is the shame, right? And so asking for help and the third thing is if your child, there’s something going on, we often have to adapt. So it isn’t that our parenting is wrong, it’s our parenting is wrong for the child with this...
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