Secret Life of Books

By: Sophie Gee and Jonty Claypole
  • Summary

  • Every book has two stories: the one it tells, and the one it hides.

    The Secret Life of Books is a fascinating, addictive, often shocking, occasionally hilarious weekly podcast starring Sophie Gee, an English professor at Princeton University, and Jonty Claypole, formerly director of arts at the BBC.
    Every week these virtuoso critics and close friends take an iconic book and reveal the hidden story behind the story: who made it, their clandestine motives, the undeclared stakes, the scandalous backstory and above all the secret, mysterious meanings of books we thought we knew.

    -- To join the Secret Life of Books Club visit: www.secretlifeofbooks.org
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    © 2025 Secret Life of Books
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Episodes
  • The Craft of Writing, the Booker Prize from Australia: Charlotte Wood on My Name is Lucy Barton
    Jan 7 2025

    Elizabeth Strout’s My Name Is Lucy Barton is a much-loved and perennially-read novel that has caught the attention of literally millions of readers worldwide. But it’s quiet, low-key book, about family dynamics and difficult feelings, with a modest plot and characters who wouldn’t seem heroic if you met them in real life.

    Find out why Charlotte Wood found herself drawn to a novel that refuses to be a “people pleaser.” How does it connect to her own novel Stone Yard Devotional, shortlisted for the 2024 Booker Prize. Charlotte also unearths one of SLoB’s best-ever secrets about how Elizabeth Strout trained herself to write with radical honesty.

    Sophie waxes lyrical about the landscapes of Strout’s homestate Maine, and Jonty makes a passionate care for My Name is Lucy Barton as a classic about men as well as women, equally compelling for the blokes.

    -- To join the Secret Life of Books Club visit: www.secretlifeofbooks.org

    -- Please support us on Patreon to keep the lights on in the SLoB studio and get bonus content: patreon.com/secretlifeofbookspodcast

    -- Follow us on our socials:
    youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@secretlifeofbookspodcast/shorts

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    bluesky: @slobpodcast.bsky.social




    Further Reading:

    Elizabeth Strout, My Name is Lucy Barton, Anything is Possible, Oh William, Lucy by the Sea, Tell Me Everything, (Random House, 2016-2024)
    Charlotte Wood, Stone Yard Devotional (Riverhead/ Allen and Unwin, 2024)
    https://www.charlottewood.com.au/

    Support the show

    Producer: Boyd Britton
    Digital Content Coordinator: Olivia di Costanzo
    Designer: Peita Jackson
    Our thanks to the University of Sydney Business School.

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    50 mins
  • Literature's great parties: launch 2025 in style with Lady Macbeth, Count Dracula and the Mad Hatter
    Dec 31 2024

    To round out 2024, SLoB is hosting the world’s shortest New Year’s Eve party, in which we rank literary history’s most under-the-radar ragers. Crank up your sonos and get ready for classic fun this New Year.

    In under an hour, and with lashings of improvisational revelry, Sophie and Jonty review and rank party scenes from the books they covered in 2024.

    Most readers of the great English classics come for the amazing settings, the unrequited passions, the rampant alcoholism, homicidal rage and untreated personality disorders. But after this episode, you’ll stay for all the underappreciated scenes of hospitality, small group functions and intimate dinners. SLoB ranks according to five key metrics - all in the name of literary festivity and new year’s optimism.

    Pre-game for your 2024 NYE bash with this baby, recorded in a new studio with a special machine that enables Jonty to make amusing sound-effects over the voice tracks.


    Support the show

    Producer: Boyd Britton
    Digital Content Coordinator: Olivia di Costanzo
    Designer: Peita Jackson
    Our thanks to the University of Sydney Business School.

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    58 mins
  • Did Dickens Change the Face of Christmas Forever? Scrooge, Tiny Tim and the First Ever Turkey
    Dec 24 2024

    From the “man who invented Christmas,” this is the ultimate Christmas fable. Everyone’s heard of Scrooge, and many could quote his “Bah! Humbug!” And maybe even Tiny Tim’s “God Bless us, every one.” But who knows which Christmas season mega-industry Dickens started, with Scrooge’s parting gift to the Cratchit family? And what was going on in Dickens’s life that drove him to the power and melodrama of this micro-novel?

    Sophie makes a foolhardy attempt to link Dickens’ Christmas Carol to our modern wellness and self-care movements, while Jonty takes the moral and spiritual high-road and ties this short novel to Dicken’s interest in social welfare and the Poor Laws. Everyone’s in heated agreement, though, that Dickens has a decidedly creepy relationship to young women, which he channels into the handsy narrator who takes us through this classic tale.

    Whether or not you buy into the political messaging and Scrooge’s discovery of “manifesting,” you won’t be able to resist the descriptions of Christmas-time food and drink in merry London, so come ready for Christmas revels.


    -- To join the Secret Life of Books Club visit: www.secretlifeofbooks.org

    -- Please support us on Patreon to keep the lights on in the SLoB studio and get bonus content: patreon.com/secretlifeofbookspodcast

    -- Follow us on our socials:
    youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@secretlifeofbookspodcast/shorts

    insta: https://www.instagram.com/secretlifeofbookspodcast/

    bluesky: @slobpodcast.bsky.social

    Support the show

    Support the show

    Producer: Boyd Britton
    Digital Content Coordinator: Olivia di Costanzo
    Designer: Peita Jackson
    Our thanks to the University of Sydney Business School.

    Show More Show Less
    59 mins

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