Secret Life of Books

By: Sophie Gee and Jonty Claypole
  • Summary

  • Every book has two stories: the one it tells, and the one it hides.

    The Secret Life of Books is a fascinating, addictive, often shocking, occasionally hilarious weekly podcast starring Sophie Gee, an English professor at Princeton University, and Jonty Claypole, formerly director of arts at the BBC.
    Every week these virtuoso critics and close friends take an iconic book and reveal the hidden story behind the story: who made it, their clandestine motives, the undeclared stakes, the scandalous backstory and above all the secret, mysterious meanings of books we thought we knew.

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    -- The Secret Life of Books invites listeners to join The Conversation, a chance to interact directly with Sophie and Jonty about episode content and to make the case for books we should cover: https://www.secretlifeofbooks.org/forum

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Episodes
  • Huckleberry Finn: but wait, maybe THIS is the great American novel?
    Nov 5 2024

    What makes a trip down the Mississippi river so famous - and so notorious? Why did it need to be rewritten in the 2024 novel James by Percival Everett? Is Huck Finn the most famous character in world literature?

    We’ve gone on record saying that The Great Gatsby is #1 Great American Novel - but this week we may have to eat our words. Is it actually The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, the book Mark Twain published in 1884 but set in America before the civil war. Released on the day of the Harris-Trump Presidential election, this episode is all about why Huck Finn remains what it has always been, a novel of division.

    Sophie and Jonty talk about why Huck Finn is a novel of divisions and polarizations. A novel for our times. The divisions are between North and South, between slave states and free, between confederates and unionists, between white and Black, between enslaved and emancipated. These are just some of the tensions that Twain took on and even though it’s nearly 150 years old, its themes and ideas are more relevant than ever. But is this book now racist to be readable? Or is it a vision of what America really is, a wake-up call that we must pay attention to?

    -- To join the Secret Life of Books Club visit: www.secretlifeofbooks.org

    -- The Secret Life of Books invites listeners to join The Conversation, a chance to interact directly with Sophie and Jonty about episode content and to make the case for books we should cover: https://www.secretlifeofbooks.org/forum

    X: @SLOBpodcast

    @sophieggee

    @ClaypoleJonty

    insta: https://www.instagram.com/secretlifeofbookspodcast/


    Further Reading:

    Mark Twain, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, (Norton Critical Edition, 4th Edition, 2021)

    Jerome Loving, Mark Twain: The Adventures of Samuel L. Clemens (University of California Press, 2010)

    William Dean Howells, My Mark Twain (Dover, 1997, reprint of 1910 edition)

    Rachel Cohen, A Chance Meeting, ( NYRB reprints, 2024)

    Richard White, The Republic for Which It Stands - The United States during Reconstruction and the Gilded Age, 1865-1896 (Oxford, 2017)

    There’s a great forthcoming biography of Mark Twain by the celebrated Ron Chernow, publishing May 2025.

    Percival Everett, James (Doubleday 2024)


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    59 mins
  • Hamnet: sexy witches replace skulls and soliloquies
    Oct 29 2024

    Ever wonder what Shakespeare got up to in the bedroom? Well, whether you do or not, you’ll find out - along with many other things - in this episode devoted to Maggie O’Farrell’s superb novel Hamnet (spoiler alert: it involves a shed, a kestrel and shelves of bouncing apples, rather than an actual bedroom).

    Hamnet was published to critical acclaim in 2020. It brings Shakespeare’s wife - Anne Hathaway (called Agnes in this telling) - out of the shadows, recounting her relationship with a Latin tutor who has an urge to write, the fraught birth of their children, the death of their son Hamnet, the impact this tragedy has on their marriage and, finally, how all this informed the creation of said Latin Tutor’s masterpiece. A play titled - you guessed it - Hamlet.

    Most daringly of all, O’Farrell gives Anne/Agnes supernatural powers and suggests that Shakespeare’s meanness in leaving her only his second best bed in his will was in fact an affectionate reminder of the sexy time they had together in said bed.

    Sophie and Jonty talk about the long road that brought O’Farrell to this story; the difficulty of bringing historical characters to life; the unique light that O’Farrell’s novel casts on the creation of a literary landmark; and finally ask:does this book about the making of a classic have the potential to become one?

    Jonty also confronts Sophie about the sex scenes in her 2007 novel Scandal of the Season, implying a certain gratuitousness, but Sophie ably defends herself on purely intellectual grounds.

    Visit the Secret Life of Books and join a conversation about the episode and the show: https://www.secretlifeofbooks.org/forum

    Further reading:

    Maggie O’Farrell, Hamnet (Tinder Press, 2020)

    Maggie O’Farrell, I Am, I Am, I Am: Seventeen Brushes With Death (Tinder Press, 2018)

    James Shapiro, A Year in the Life of William Shakespeare: 1599 (Harper Collins, 2005)

    Stephen Greenblatt, Will In The World (WW Norton, 2004)

    Sophie Gee, Scandal of the Season (Chatto & Windus, 2007)


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    50 mins
  • Hamlet: Shakespeare's secret double or pain in neck?
    Oct 22 2024

    Hamlet is jammed with famous quotes like “to be or not to be,” “something is rotten in the state of Denmark,” “time is out of joint,” “the play’s the thing,” “get thee to a nunnery,” and “the rest is silence.” But who really knows what happens in the world’s most famous play? And why is it so damn long? Jonty confides the intense boredom induced by the unabridged 5.5 hour Kenneth Branagh marathon Hamlet during the 90s.

    Jonty and Sophie are in heated agreement that Hamlet is not a nice guy but a bit of an over privileged brat. The Ghost, not Hamlet, gets SLOB’s prize this week for MVP. not to mention lovely Ophelia, the play’s most moving and sympathetic character.

    There many unanswered questions in Hamlet and Sophie argues that “to be or not to be?” isn’t even in the Top 10. And also, why do actors speak so slowly when delivering the “to be or not to be” speech? Jonty - at last - concedes that the Protestant Reformation is at the heart of this text! Plus we get a quick primer on political and religious life under Queen Elizabeth I, who was in crisis with a threatened rebellion from the Earl of Essex. The queen wasn’t the only one in a career slump in the late 1590s - Shakespeare was having problems with his work-life balance too.

    Why — and how — did he and his business partners dismantle their theater and carry it across the Thames one frosty December night in 1598? Hear why Shakespeare played the Ghost in the first performances of Hamlet, and how this very adult play is also about the death of Shakespeare’s 11 year old son named Hamnet, a few years earlier.

    Visit the Secret Life of Books and join a conversation about the episode and the show: https://www.secretlifeofbooks.org/forum

    Further Reading:

    William Shakespeare, Hamlet, Folger Shakespeare Library edition. https://www.folger.edu/explore/shakespeares-works/hamlet/read/

    James Shapiro, A Year in the Life of William Shakespeare: 1599 (Harper Collins, 2005)

    Stephen Greenblatt, Hamlet in Purgatory (Princeton UP, 2014)

    Rhodri Lewis, Hamlet and the Vision of Darkness (Princeton UP, 2017)

    T. S. Eliot, “Hamlet and His Problems.” In The Sacred Wood (Dover Publications, reprint edition 1997).


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    1 hr and 11 mins

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