When we tie our identity to what we do rather than who we truly are, losing that sense of self can be devastating. Benj Gershman, bassist for the rock band O.A.R., experienced this firsthand—and it led him to Stoicism.

In this conversation, Benj opens up to Ryan about the mental and physical toll of life on the road, lessons learned from O.A.R.'s 30 years together, and how The Obstacle is the Way transformed his mindset during the darkest chapter of his life.

You can follow Benj on Instagram @BenjGershman and OAR @OfARevolution

Check out Benj’s podcast all about mental health support called What Could Be Bad

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