Charlotte Hails heads the Public Sector Vertical Strategy for Virgin Media O2 Business, working with customers in UK policing, the Home Office, Health and Local Government. She's an ambitious woman in leadership, who began her career in policing rising to become a Detective Chief Inspector leading people in counter-terrorism, safeguarding and public protection.

But Charlotte’s experiences in policing also reflect the darker side of a workplace culture that women in uniformed services still find themselves having to deal with today. The last few years have highlighted problems of sexual harassment, bullying and misogyny towards women in emergency and armed services across the world.

In this episode, Charlotte reflects on her own experiences in policing, the progress that UK policing is making and the contrast between positive and negative experiences in policing and her subsequent career in the private sector.

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LINKS

• Charlotte's speech to the 2024 Women in Business Awards
• Connect with Charlotte on LinkedIn

Research studies have shown that bullying and harassment have serious medical consequences for people’s physical and psychological health and wellbeing.

But what actually happens to the brain of people targeted by those who engage in this kind of unnecessary, unpleasant and unkind behaviour? Can people who’ve been targeted by bullies learn to recover their confidence and self-esteem, after suffering the harm caused by the behaviour they’ve been subjected to?

Dr. Jennifer Fraser has applied her research mindset to investigate and understand the neuroscience behind bullying, and what it does to the human brain.

Her book, “The Bullied Brain” explores the physical and emotional damage the brain of a bullying victim suffers, and looks into how the brain’s mechanisms for learning and recovery provide hope for the future.

In this episode, you’ll hear about life at the sharp end of bullying neuroscience, as Jen Fraser discusses “The Bullied Brain” - and she gives a preview into her new book (due out later in 2025), “The Gaslit Brain”

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LINKS

• Purchase The Bullied Brain on Amazon (affiliate link)
• Dr. Jennifer Fraser’s website
• Connect with Dr. Jennifer Fraser on LinkedIn
• Read Jennifer Fraser's blog, The Bullied Brain in Psychology Today
• Exercise your brain with BrainHQ training from Dr. Michael Merzenich

Mark Bouchard has been in law enforcement since 2007 and has a Master’s degree in leadership, studying culture and mental health in policing. He’s the author of “Setting my sights on stigma: thoughts from an injured mind” - a candid and personal exploration of his own mental health journey and PTSD diagnosis.

In this episode, Mark talks openly about some of the critical incidents he’s been involved in as a police officer, and the impact these can have on the mental health and wellbeing of front-line first-responders in the emergency services.

We discuss leadership, and Mark gives practical examples of how leaders can create psychological safety and how we can all encourage and support people to be open about seeking support for their mental health.

What is the role of leadership in setting the culture for a workplace, and what’s actually down to you - as an individual, and in your own teams - when it comes to creating culture, and supporting the people around you, when they need to talk about their mental health?

This episode contains mentions of operational police call-outs, PTSD and suicide. If you think this episode might affect you in any way, you can find links to support resources in the show notes.

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LINKS

• Mark Bouchard's website
• Connect with Mark on LinkedIn
• Police Mentors channel on YouTube

REFERENCES

• Ontario coroner’s inquiry report (2021) into police suicides
• CIPSRT research publications into stressors and mental health in Canadian public services
• Books from this podcast on Amazon (via affiliate links):
  • Mark Bouchard (2023) - Setting my sights on stigma : thoughts from an injured mind
  • Dr. Kevin Gilmartin (2021) - Emotional survival for law enforcement: A guide for officers and their families (revised edition)
  • Dave Grossman & Lauren Christensen (2008) - On combat: The psychology and physiology of Deadly Conflict in War and in Peace

The British Columbia Firefighter Resiliency Program is an innovative partnership that provides practical mental health support to Canadian firefighters.

Steve Farina is Executive Vice President of the British Columbia Professional Firefighters Association and he’s played an instrumental role in the program and its success in supporting firefighter mental health.

Steve’s extensive career, from volunteer and career firefighter to Captain, and a union executive, provides a fascinating perspective on the extent cultural changes he’s seen (and those still needed) in Fire and Rescue services.

In this episode, Steve discusses what leaders in Fire and Rescue can do to create a respectful culture that mentors and supports their crews. He reflects on how leaders should be accountable for their behaviour; take ownership of their actions; and on the role that unions can play in working constructively with Fire Services to achieve common goals.

The BC Firefighter Resiliency Program is one excellent example of how constructive engagement has produced a result that has, literally, saved lives.

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LINKS

• • Contact Steve by e-mail at mainlandnorth@bcpffa.org
  • Visit Steve’s LinkedIn page
  • The BC Professional Firefighters Association
  • The BC Firefighters Resiliency program
  • Blueprint - BCFFA’s partner in the Resiliency Program
  • Buy Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink, the book referred to by Steve in this episode (affiliate link)

Chad Costa is Assistant Fire Chief at the City of Petaluma in California, USA. He has a passion for leadership, organisational change and improving culture in the fire service family, based on over twenty six years of experience in Fire and Rescue.

As someone who’s lived life at the sharp end of Fire and Rescue culture, what can we learn from Chad about how developing leaders and supporting diversity in teams are key factors in tackling the cultural problems affecting many Fire and Rescue services across the world?

In this episode you’ll hear about Chad’s own experiences of poor Fire and Rescue culture; how the probationary system reinforces outdated approaches and hinders cultural change; and how he’s taken positive steps with his organisation to encourage diversity of thought and leadership education.

Chad talks about the importance of leaders living up to their promises, and his reflections that “we call people leaders - some people are just people in leadership positions.”

If you’re part of the fire service family with a desire to make a positive difference in tackling incivility, bullying and harassment, this episode is packed with content that you can apply in your own situation.

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LINKS

• Connect with Chad Costa on LinkedIn
• Chad’s website, with links to Chad’s podcasts, videos, articles and other content
• Watch a documentary about the heroes of California’s 2020 wildfires, featuring Chad.

Tina Chander is employment law partner at Wright Hassall - a UK legal firm whose surveys into UK workplace bullying reveal gaps in employer and employee understanding of what constitutes workplace bullying, and a high proportion of people who've either been bullied themselves or witnessed it happening to their colleagues.

What can we learn from the findings of Wright Hassall’s bullying surveys about the state of workplace bullying and harassment in the UK and other countries?

What are Tina’s perspectives as an experienced employment law partner on the impact of bullying, harassment and sexual harassment, and the questions that employees and employers need to think about?

In this episode, Tina provides her perspectives on differentiating banter, bullying, discrimination and harassment, and some of the key steps required for UK employers to act fairly and proportionately in preventing and addressing workplace bullying and sexual harassment.

LINKS

• Tina Chander, Partner & Head of Employment Law Team
• Connect with Tina Chander on LinkedIn
• Wright Hassall LLP website
• Wright Hassall LLP bullying survey data summary
• Follow Wright Hassall LLP on LinkedIn

You wouldn’t think an apology was a particularly difficult concept, would you? So why then, for many organisations and individuals, does “sorry” seem to be the hardest word?

What is it about making an apology - and getting that apology right - that's not straightforward? How do you make an apology, and what must you avoid doing for it to be effective?

This is a crucial skill for anyone, but particularly relevant for leaders, HR professionals, complaint practitioners - and especially their lawyers - to understand.

Research studies tell us that apology is a critical step in reconciliation and recovery, particularly for people who've been targeted by workplace incivility, bullying or harassment.

If an organisation refuses to apologise when it knows harm has been caused, a deliberately withheld apology can excerbate and prolong the physical and psychological harm caused by workplace bullying.

Does it matter whether an apology is sincere, or do ordered apologies still have merit in resolving the situation for the person harmed?

Is it possible to change legislation so that lawyers no longer have to tell organisations they shouldn't apologise for fear of admitting liability? The example of New South Wales in Australia shows this can be done, without the sky falling in. There's a golden opportunity in this for politicians and legislators to leave a lasting legacy of positive change - and cut their Government's legal bills as well.

In this episode, I talk to Chris Wheeler, former Deputy Ombudsman of New South Wales. He literally wrote the manual for public sector organisations giving effective apologies, and worked to introduce ground-breaking legislative changes to enable apologies to be made.

Listen now to hear from Chris about Life at the Sharp End of effective apology, and what he did in public service to ensure "sorry" isn't the hardest word.

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LINKS

Contact Chris Wheeler via his website - https://www.chriswheelerconsulting.com/

"Bullying, at its core, is not an individual problem, spurred by one person, but an outgrowth of a workplace environment that either allows or encourages behaviours such as gossip, humiliation, belittling, gaslighting and exclusion.”

Those are the words of Associate Professor Dorothy Suskind in the introduction to her book about the predictable patterns that workplace bullies follow in selecting and persecuting their targets.

In this episode packed with information, Dorothy talks to me about her research, her own experiences and the psychology behind the harmful effects of predictable tactics like isolation, exclusion and manipulation used by workplace bullies.

There are two audiences for this episode:

1. People who are, or have previously, experienced workplace bullying. The patterns and harms described in this episode will help you to understand what's happened, and the steps you can take towards meaningful recovery, creating agency in your life and coming to terms with what's happened to you.

2. For leaders and HR professionals - someone responsible for others - you'll learn how bullies and their allies work in your organisation. It'll help you tackle the problem, and maybe show you how you're playing a role in the harm they cause to others (whether that's deliberately or inadvertantly).

Understanding these patterns helps people to prevent bullying, or to heal the harm where it's been caused.

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Purchase Dorothy's book - Workplace bullying: finding your way to big tent belonging - on Amazon (affiliate link)

Dorothy Suskind’s webpage: https://dorothysuskind.com

Dorothy’s articles in Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/nz/contributors/dorothy-suskind-phd