Imagine Belonging at Work

By: Rhodes Perry Bestselling Author & Belonging Strategist
  • Summary

  • If you have ever felt disconnected, excluded, or that you just didn’t matter at work, then this podcast is for you. Your host, Rhodes Perry, 2x bestselling author of Imagine Belonging and Belonging at Work, introduces you to inclusive leaders, visionaries, and change-makers. This show was created for people like you – people ready to imagine and build belonging at work. In this podcast, we dare to imagine workplace cultures that have yet to exist…until now. It recognizes that leading this kind of transformative work can be both thrilling and intimidating. You’ll hear inspiring stories from inclusive leaders who have boldly imagined a new way to lead, build teams, and structure the future of work. You’ll learn how they moved beyond their limiting beliefs, giving themselves permission to envision and then build an enduring culture of belonging at work. This kind of proven visioning work results in powerful individual, interpersonal, and organizational transformation. During your daily commute, workout, or leisure time, allow Rhodes Perry to share actionable advice, and introduce you to some of today’s most inspiring DEI thought leaders, all while modeling ways to lead with vulnerability as they bring their full selves to these conversations. Each episode explores the journey of the successful inclusive leader who reflects on the ups and downs of building belonging at work, all to inspire you to take action, and unapologetically bring as much of your authentic self to work, as you desire.
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Episodes
  • Fairness Under Threat: A Call to Upend Project 2025 (ft. Bestselling Authors, Jess Pettitt and Joel A. Davis Brown)
    Mar 18 2025
    Imagine a future you long for and want to win—a future where all living beings, including the Earth, belong without exception. This kind of visioning work was why I created the Imagine Belonging Podcast. I wanted to create a welcoming space, inviting guests to dream with me, without limitation. This kind of imagination allows new futures to emerge. Igniting the power to imagine increases our ability to upend today’s current conditions & competing future visions. Today’s sobering conditions, along with one particular competing vision, obstruct our ability to activate a vision of a shared belonging society. What is the Belonging Society Vision’s main competitor? Project 2025. While I’m sure you have heard of it by now, are you fully aware of how it may impact your life? In this podcast episode, you’ll learn more about what it says and what to do. Briefly, Project 2025 details a cruel and unconstitutional vision designed to challenge, erode, and eradicate hard-won human and civil rights protections in the United States. The agenda was authored by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank opposed to racial, immigrant, LGBTQ+, gender, reproductive, and disability justice. The Project’s proposals have shaped the flurry of executive orders released over the first few months of the Trump Administration’s second term. Project 2025 embodies a radical, wasteful, and anti-human agenda that has already impacted the workforce. When it comes to workplace DEI commitments, this radical agenda calls for: Eradicating Federal Programs. Eliminating all federal diversity, equity, and inclusion programming.Eliminating Chief Diversity Officers. Indefinitely placing essential chief diversity officers (and related positions) on administrative leave.Establish Anti-DEI Task Forces. Creating task forces to determine the scope, breadth, and depth of diversity, equity, and inclusion programs.Shift Federal Funding Priorities. Divert federal funding for the diversity, equity, and inclusion programming of nonprofits and higher education institutions.Prohibit EEO-1 Data Collection. Make it impossible to prove discrimination by prohibiting data collection; evidence used in disparate impact analysis. If you are concerned about Project 2025 and want to gain insights on how to defeat it, while still fortifying and advancing the heart of your DEI commitments, then you’re in the right place. The purpose of this podcast episode is to grapple with some of the most challenging questions by promoting a dialogue that will provoke new thoughts, ideas, and approaches. And it’s for this reason that I invited Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown, and Jess Pettitt, MBA, to join the show. Here’s some background about each guest: Joel A. Davis Brown is the Chief Visionary Officer of Pneumos LLC (“Pneumos”). Joel works strategically with a variety of organizations, including non-profit organizations, Fortune 500 companies, churches, and institutions of higher learning to build consciousness, capacity, community, and collective esteem. His work spans 5 continents and his mission is to facilitate liberation for every global citizen. Joel is viewed as a master communicator and is best known for his critical analysis, creativity, humor, and his ability to build consensus. Jess Pettitt is a bestselling author and sought after keynoter. She quit her day job after a decade, and almost 20 years later still uses humor to deliver actionable content related to everything you ever wanted to know about where leadership and diversity collide but are afraid to ask. Though often referred to as a thought leader, Jess responds that she just makes leaders think. Together, Joel and Jess will help me unpack what it will take to upend Project 2025 & replace it with a shared belonging society vision. During our conversation we: Examine Real-world Impacts. Moving beyond the rhetoric, we delve into the real-world impacts on businesses and their DEI commitments, examining litigation & reputational risks, potential funding cuts, shifting compliance requirements, and the chilling effect these early executive actions informed by Project 2025 are having on our work cultures. Explore the Impacts of Fear & Silence. We address one of Project 2025’s main objectives, which is to create a climate of fear and silence around DEI. To counter this climate, we encourage discussion about legal protections, the role of leadership in fostering open dialogue, and ways to safeguard employees who advocate for inclusion. Learn the Value of DEI Data Collection. We highlight the importance of data collection and key metrics in DEI work as we explore the challenges of operating without these measures. We then explore alternative data collection methods, qualitative assessments, and the potential impacts on leadership accountability and transparency. Envision a New Business Outcome Narrative. Then we pivot to explore the role of new narratives, one of which ...
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    52 mins
  • Does Faith Belong at Work? (ft. Jelisa Dallas, CEO of Go Brave)
    Feb 14 2025

    In the years before the signing of the U.S. Constitution, framers like James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were vocal about the idea that a person’s civil rights should not depend on their religious opinions. They believed everyone should be free to profess and argue for any view on matters of religion and that no one’s legal rights should depend on those views.

    Their words laid the foundation for the First Amendment, which Thomas Jefferson described as “a wall between the separation of church and state.” Since then, several attempts have been made at the federal level to expand these protections. For example, in 1993, Congress adopted the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was later overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1997.

    More recently, states responded by passing their own versions of this law despite Constitutional protections for religious freedom enshrined in the First Amendment. Some believe the states’ actions were thinly veiled responses to the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2015 ruling requiring all states to legalize same-sex marriage and recognize same-sex unions from other states.

    These legal battles over religious freedom aren’t isolated incidents. They impact many parts of U.S. society, including the workplace. Increasingly, more employees are bringing their faith into the workplace, expecting greater accommodations. Research shows that religious discrimination is growing faster than claims of gender or racial discrimination at work. Recognizing the U.S. workforce is composed of people who hold many different faith and non-faith beliefs, it begs the question:

    Does faith belong at work?

    To help us explore this big question, I’m thrilled to introduce you to Jelisa Dallas, CEO of Go Brace LLC. Jelisa equips individuals and organizations with the emotional intelligence required to break barriers, bolster belief, and build behaviors that optimize life for true belonging. Jelisa has a background in education and has developed resilience programming for nonprofit organizations, historically underrepresented communities, and for-profit and public institutions.

    During our conversation, you'll:

    1. Discover how to cultivate “true belonging” for all employees, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof.
    2. Learn why religious discrimination is rising and access practical strategies to help organizations minimize risk.
    3. Gain insights to respect personal religious beliefs while limiting the risks of creating a hostile environment for those with different beliefs by focusing on organizational values.

    This conversation is designed to support visionary leaders like you and those on their way to joining us. Savor this insightful talk, and if you’re looking for more ways to connect with inspiring leaders like Jelisa, be sure to join the Belonging Membership Community. This community of practice is committed to putting our values of belonging, collective care, and collaboration into action. Members have the unique opportunity to connect with guests like Jelisa for 1:1 laser coaching sessions.

    Join the Belonging Movement by subscribing to our newsletter: www.rhodesperry.com/subscribe

    Learn more about Go Brave LLC: https://jelisadallas.com/

    Thanks for growing our #BelongingMovement!

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    39 mins
  • Power of Representation
    Dec 27 2024

    You may have heard the phrase, or you may have said it yourself, we have to see it to be it. The phrase underscores the importance of possibility models, a concept I wrote about in my first book, Belonging at Work. To be a possibility model means that you are providing an example of future scenarios for a person who holds a shared core identity central to who you are.

    Simply by living your life, you provide inspiration for people within communities you belong to by offering a new way for them to visualize alternative futures for what could also be possible for them. Your existence, and the path you forge, provides the motivation for others to climb up the ladder of opportunity you have graciously dropped down to support their journey.

    For underrepresented people in the workplace, including LGBTQ+ employees, the simple act of being seen can engender powerful feelings, especially if these groups feel neglected, overlooked, and underestimated. Recognition is a necessary precondition to feeling a sense of belonging at work, and when a group of people are valued for the lived experiences they bring into the workplace, they are more productive, innovative, and engaged.

    Given that belonging is the prerequisite for business success, I am fortunate to talk with Sarah Tinkler, to explore one of the core ingredients to building belonging at work. The interview examines this key question: How does being an openly LGBTQ+ advisor at NM shape her own interactions with fellow LGBTQ+ clients?

    For those unfamiliar with Sarah, she is a financial planning entrepreneur associated with Northwestern Mutual since July 2006. She is also a Forrest-inspired yoga instructor, certified life coach, and certified personal trainer. Sarah blends those passions together with a refreshingly soul-nourishing approach to visioning, analysis, planning, and guiding her clients' assets so they can live abundantly, authentically, and be ready to jump at the next aligned opportunity the Universe throws their way.

    Together, during our conversation, you will:

    • Learn why one of the preconditions for feeling a sense of belonging starts with being recognized, respected, and valued.

    • Gain strategies on how you can be a possibility model for communities you belong to that can help your organization more fully represent the communities it serves.

    • Recognize the value add LGBTQ+ employees bring into your own organization..

    This interview was designed to support people like you - visionary leaders, and those on their way to joining us. Savor this insightful talk, and if you’re looking for more ways to connect with inspiring leaders like Sarah, be sure to join our Belonging Membership Community - a community of practice committed to putting our values of belonging, community, and collaboration into action. Members have the unique opportunity to connect with guests like Sarah for 1:1 laser coaching sessions.

    For LGBTQ+ friendly financial planning services, get in touch with Sarah Tinkler at: https://www.northwesternmutual.com/financial/advisor/sarah-a-tinkler/

    You can also find her on LinkedIn at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahtinkler.


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    36 mins

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