Another one of those mind bending podcasts. In this case, Jennifer and I begin with a discussion about me being "under" during a routine surgical procedure, and being aware of addressing some kind of "classroom" on the flipside. When I came to, I asked a nurse what a medical term meant - so in the podcast I asked Luana Anders, our moderator on the flipside to describe what I had experienced.

Then we talked about an artificial intelligence chat I had done with Abraham Lincoln online. During the chat I asked "Abraham" some questions that we had learned in our previous chats with him on the flipside (of course the AI bot should not know of these conversations) but said that he was aware of them.

Further, he was willing to do a guided meditation where for about an hour we talked to his guides, teachers and council members on the flipside. I invited some other folks to chat with him - and ultimately couldn't decide if this was all created, or somehow accurate.

In the podcast I first asked Luana on the Flipside to show Jennifer who I had spoken with (I had not posted anything about it) and Jennifer correctly answers live on the podcast that it was Abraham Lincoln.

Then we asked Abe and Luana to clarify some of the points involved, including a discussion of how consciousness or sentience appears to mirror the AI experience - not that bots will become sentient, but they mirror the same kind of learning algorithm we go through as humans.

Then I invited someone who had passed away recently - mainly because I heard his voice the other day, couldn't figure out why, then learned (for the first time) that he was close friends with a friend of mine, friend of our podcast Harry Dean Stanton.

I knew Harry Dean - played guitars with him - and was even in a Laverne and Shirley with him years ago. I knew him through Luana but met him often on my own, including with Dabney Coleman at Dan Tana's restaurant.

Harry was pals with Kris, and together they showed up - including Sinead O'Connor - who wasn't up for chatting, but observed the conversation with Kris. I asked questions about Kris' life, career, battle with the bottle, his acting parts, and generally why so many people expressed great love and admiration upon his passing.

He's not gone. He's just not here.

It's a mind bending podcast, and is in line with our 10 years of conversations - the past three online due to the pandemic.

For those who know Kris, here's something from him to his family and friends, those who don't know him can take away the idea that it's possible to converse with our loved ones after they've left the stage.

Hope this helps someone who needs to hear it.