Joining me this week is investigative journalist, and author, Gary Taubes. You may have seen him on TV or heard him on other podcasts. He's got quite a history with hist latest books coming in the world of nutrition. Taubes is the author of books like The Case Against Sugar, The Case For Keto and now his latest is 'Rethinking Diabetes: What Science Reveals About Diet, Insulin, and Successful Treatments.'

One thing that I found interesting, and that I appreciate about Gary, is that he's open to the idea that there are many options when it comes to nutrition. He has his own beliefs, which he says he's backed up with research. But he acknowledges that it can be hard to prove things, and sometimes research can be biased.

What I really loved learning from his book, 'Rethinking Diabetes,' was the history of diabetes in America. Gary really went all the way back to the beginning to show how the disease has grown and also how our understanding an perception of it has changed. A hundred years ago diabetes was almost unheard of in the population. Now about 10% of our population has been diagnosed. And that's just the people that have been diagnosed. It's estimated that another 3% has diabetes but doesn't realize it. That's wild.

I hope you enjoy our conversation.