One in five U.S. adults experience a mental health condition each year.* What happens when the healer is also healing? As a healthcare clinician, do you feel like you have the space, resources, and support to take care of your own mental health? In this episode, co-hosts Amy and Paul discuss the experiences of healthcare clinicians who have a mental health condition, associated stigma, seeking help, and integrating our identities as healers and humans. Our guests discuss their experiences as healthcare providers with depression and anxiety. 

Content notice: This episode contains discussion of suicidal ideation and death. 

*Source: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. (2022). Key substance use and mental health indicators in the United States: Results from the 2021 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (HHS Publication No. PEP22-07-01-005, NSDUH Series H-57). Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. https://www.samhsa.gov/data/report/2021-nsduh-annual-national-report 

Our Hosts:

Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW 

Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families.  Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design.  Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.

Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT

Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here.

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