Only 1% of pastors say their churches are very effective at evangelism. Yet, 72% of people say they are open spiritually.

In this episode, Barna CEO David Kinnaman and author Mark Matlock continue the 2025 Church Trends series and discuss the current divide between church and culture, the surprisingly dismal state of evangelism in the church today, and the missed opportunity of unchurched people's surprising spiritual openness.

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