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Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife

Counterinsurgency Lessons from Malaya and Vietnam

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Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife

By: John A. Nagl, General Peter J. Schoomaker
Narrated by: John Pruden
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Invariably, armies are accused of preparing to fight the previous war. In Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife, Lieutenant Colonel John A. Nagl—a veteran of both Operation Desert Storm and the conflict in Iraq—considers the now crucial question of how armies adapt to changing circumstances during the course of conflicts for which they are initially unprepared. Through the use of archival sources and interviews with participants in both engagements, Nagl compares the development of counterinsurgency doctrine and practice in the Malayan Emergency from 1948 to 1960 with what developed in the Vietnam War from 1950 to 1975.

In examining these two events, Nagl argues that organizational culture is key to the ability to learn from unanticipated conditions, a variable which explains why the British army successfully conducted counterinsurgency in Malaya and why the American army failed to do so in Vietnam, treating the war instead as a conventional conflict. Nagl concludes that the British army, because of its role as a colonial police force and the organizational characteristics created by its history and national culture, was better able to quickly learn and apply the lessons of counterinsurgency during the course of the Malayan Emergency.

With a new preface reflecting on the author’s combat experience in Iraq, Learning to Eat Soup with a Knifeis a timely examination of the lessons of previous counterinsurgency campaigns that will be hailed by both military leaders and interested civilians.

Lieutenant Colonel John A. Nagl, US Army (Ret.), is a military assistant to the deputy secretary of defense. He led a tank platoon in the First Cavalry Division in Operation Desert Storm, taught national security studies at West Point’s Department of Social Sciences, and served as the operations officer of Task Force 1-34 Armor with the First Infantry Division in Khalidiyah, Iraq.

©2002 John A. Nagl. Preface 2005 by John A. Nagl. Foreword 2005 by Peter J. Schoomaker. Additional material by the University of Chicago Press (P)2012 Blackstone Audio, Inc.
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“[A] highly regarded counterinsurgency manual.” ( Washington Post)
“Colonel Nagl’s book is one of a half dozen Vietnam histories—most of them highly critical of the US military in Vietnam—that are changing the military’s views on how to fight guerrilla wars…The tome has already had an influence on the ground in Iraq.” ( Wall Street Journal)
Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife (a title taken from T. E. Lawrence—himself no slouch in guerrilla warfare) is a study of how the British Army succeeded in snuffing out the Malayan insurgency between 1948 and 1960—and why the Americans failed in Vietnam…It is helping to transform the American military in the face of its greatest test since Vietnam.” ( Times (London))

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interesting counter insurgency theory

Interesting topic.

Draws on many of the similar comparisons of the COIN of Malaya vs Vietnam but fails to highlight the massive differences such as physical geography the historical links of the parties involved in each conflict.
This is a prime example of displaying statistics that suit your end goal.

Overall the narrator was very clear and performed well. The story flowed well except for the statistics page where it would be better to physically see rather than to listen to them.

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Reading of a scientific research study

Definitely worth your while if you are interested in military history or research. Its not a motivational leadership book

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Essential study for COIN or the US in Vietnam.

Incredibly informative about the Malaya Emergency, the US Vietnam war and COIN. Also very useful, for context, for any Officer who has been made OIC innovation! I wish I had access to this years ago.

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Very detailed

Excellent analytical detail, And I would recommend to anyone with an interest in the subject matter.

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A critique of our ingrained institutional optimism

Almost 20 years old, yet a timeless alarm for all. Japan's Miyamoto Musashi presaged the same. is our inability to learn is a natural pressure valve to the eventual unwieldiness of dominant orders?

Nagl literally, in name and substance, hits the nail on the head. Understanding organisational learning is essential to our own evolution. His juxtaposition of the Malaya campaign and the Vietnam war is instrumental to say the least. Is his identification of what worked and whether it still exists prescient though of the continued fall of an empire?

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