Today I am talking to a dear friend of mine, Penny McKenzie.

Penny is an artist, a counsellor and a Mother to two grown up children. Penny used to be a client of mine, and it's been wonderful to remain good friends, witness her grow and step into who she is more.

What we talk about (particularly 35 minutes onwards) is absolute GOLD; about knowing we deserve time for ourselves.

In this episode we speak about:

• Penny's passions and the work she does
• the experiences in parenting grown up children
• consciously 'unmothering'
• Penny's journey with art and becoming an artist
• our own self-development, growth and how to replenish
• defying what others think of us decades on
• the work of Dr Gabor Maté
• Penny's experience of pregnancy, birthing premature babies and her matrescence; both early on and to this day
• how common self-abandoning is in motherhood and going against the grain to remember we matter too!
• the sociology of Motherhood (see EP43 for my chat with Motherhood Sociologist Dr Sophie Brock)

Themes: unmothering, martyr mothering, counselling, art, matrescence, therapy

At the end, I share a poem written by me.

To see more about Penny see here on her website. And connect with Penny here on Instagram.

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